November 21, 2007
waterboarding. really? really?! (opinion)
I know I'm a little late on this. But honestly, who cares? This is important. Let's follow the link trail. Even if you followed the issue but haven't seen these particular things, take a second.
It started with Mark Morford's column titled "Outrage Fatigue?". From there, we find ourselves watching Keith Olbermann talk about waterboarding in general, as well as its wider implications (transcript). This was the "holy shit" moment for me. I've heard the word waterboarding tossed around, and I kinda assumed it was a synonym for Chinese Water Torture, but when you watch the video and see the demonstration and listen to the description of it by someone who underwent it... that fired me up in a way I don't often get.
Olbermann reads Daniel Levin's quote:
And he wrote that even though he knew those doing it meant him no harm, and he knew they would rescue him at the instant of the slightest distress, and he knew he would not die — still, with all that reassurance, he could not stop the terror screaming from inside of him, could not quell the horror, could not convince that which is at the core of each of us, the entity who exists behind all the embellishments we strap to ourselves, like purpose and name and family and love, he could not convince his being that he wasn't drowning.
If you read that and you can condone the United States of America, the country "of the people, by the people, for the people" doing that in your name, then, seriously, fuck you. Posted by yargevad at November 21, 2007 08:29 PM
this isn't childs play...the next time a terrorist kills a group of 20 or so helpless women and children....ask yourself if we could have prevented it. better yet, have you personnally been exposed to the reality of what we are really dealing with. while water boarding is horrible, it gets results. This isn't an issue of george bush causing more terrorists, get real, this is a serious global issue that has been around for 2000 years...stop looking for a scape goat and learn something about the history.
Posted by: warren at February 17, 2008 12:45 PMTo warren:
It does not get results, and at that point you are really blurring the line of it we're the "good guy" or the "bad guy". Self-preservation is not the most important thing, being worthy of being preserved is.
If we have to become terrorists to survive, then "fuck us".
Posted by: Steven at April 16, 2008 05:12 PM